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標題 [分享] 朗希 vs Skenes、天才小史、投手大谷
時間 Wed Jan 29 11:20:09 2025

https://atmlb.com/4gkMq4y

大聯盟官網看到的文

討論朗希是不是過去20年來最好的投手新秀

以下是節錄

Is Sasaki the best? We posed that question to several executives, asking how he
stacks up against Stephen Strasburg (the No. 1 overall pick in 2009) and Paul Sk
enes (No. 2 in 2023), the top mound prospects in Draft history, and Ohtani, who
created similar buzz when he came over from Japan in 2017.

官網記者拿這個問題去問了多位球團制服組，對手是選秀史上最好的兩位投手以及在2017年
掀起類似熱潮的同鄉前輩

Sasaki has a lot going for him, starting with an 88-91 mph splitter that feature
s shockingly low spin rates, floating toward the plate before tumbling at the en
d. It may be the best pitch in the world right now, and many evaluators say they
've never seen a better splitter. He also sat at 96-98 mph with his fastball las
t year, has touched 102.5 mph in the past and can flash a plus slider at 83-85 m
ph with two-plane depth.

朗希的武器庫：快速球、滑球、也許是世界上最好的指叉球

Sasaki has been under the scouting microscope for years, so some imperfections h
ave come to light. His command of his fastball and his consistency with his slid
er could use some work, and some scouts question the shape of his heater. He mis
sed time the past couple of years with a torn left oblique (2023) and shoulder s
oreness (2024), and his velocity and life on his pitches regressed a bit last se
ason.

缺陷：速球的控制力跟滑球的穩定性還有進步空間、有些球探質疑他的速球尾勁、各種傷痛
問題

vs Skenes

Almost all of the club officials we consulted prefer Skenes to Sasaki at the sam
e stage of their careers. Skenes didn't have a single pitch that could match Sas
aki's splitter, but he had a better fastball with similar velocity, a significan
tly better slider, better command and a stronger build (6-foot-6, 235 pounds vs.
 6-foot-2, 187 pounds). After signing for a then-record $9.2 million, Skenes add
ed a 93-95 mph splinker (hybrid sinker/splitter) that played as the third-best p
itch in the Majors during his rookie season last year.

幾乎所有制服組都覺得Skenes在同個階段比較優秀

Skenes沒有一個球種有朗希指叉球的評價，但他的快速球、滑球、控制力以及身材都比較好
，去年還多學了指叉伸卡球

vs 投手大谷

Ohtani vs. Sasaki is a closer call, not giving the three-time MVP any extra cons
ideration for his two-way ability. Ohtani's proponents will point to his superio
r fastball finish, slider and health while noting that he had a well-above-avera
ge splitter, even if it wasn't as devastating as Sasaki's. Those who favor Sasak
i do so because of his advantages with his splitter, strike-throwing and project
ability.

不看大谷的二刀能力，兩人評價較為接近

大谷的支持者覺得他的速球、滑球以及健康程度較好，指叉球沒那麼恐怖但也有well-above
-average的水準

偏好朗希的則認為他的指叉球、丟好球能力以及成長空間有優勢


vs Strasburg

The evaluators were similarly divided on Sasaki vs. Strasburg. Sasaki gets point
s for his otherworldly splitter and potentially higher ceiling. Strasburg's over
all stuff was better relative to his era, his power curveball was at least a gra
de better than Sasaki's slider and he was stronger.

一樣有類似的意見分歧

朗希有著世界級指叉球跟較高的潛力天花板

小史則是整體的stuff超越了那個時代的其他人、曲球比朗希的滑球評分更高，而且更強壯

The consensus among the executives we surveyed was that Ohtani, Skenes and Stras
burg had higher floors because they had more well-rounded repertoires and physic
ality but that Sasaki might have more upside than any of them. He joins a Dodger
s organization renowned for helping players develop to their fullest potential,
albeit one that has been plagued by a lot of pitching injuries as well.

共識：大谷、Skenes跟Strasburg的地板比較高，朗希的天花板則高了一點。而且他加入了
善於開發球員潛力，但也受到大量投手傷兵問題困擾的的道奇隊


大概是這樣

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※ 作者: polanco 2025-01-29 11:20:09
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推 alex8725: 確實 朗希的演戲上限高很多可望競爭奧斯卡1F 01/29 11:27
→ zxc906383: 這樣是史上最強投手新秀了吧
天花板更高欸2F 01/29 11:29
推 Yjizz: 現役，此時此刻Skenes強穩4F 01/29 11:31
噓 dd1115dd1115: 演的超難看最好被打爆5F 01/29 11:32
推 WasJohnWall: 那這樣也是說Skenes最好了吧6F 01/29 11:37
推 s2022s: 記得大谷現在直球蠻肉包的 是開完TJ才變這樣嗎7F 01/29 11:37
→ WasJohnWall: 大谷第一年四縫不太行，後來才越來越強的，不然他也是靠投球空降百大第一的8F 01/29 11:38
推 AisinGioro: 大谷有改練二縫
 文章代碼(AID): #1Z3qxcTS (MLB)10F 01/29 11:47
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→ Catalyst: 朗希比這兩位狀元強我覺得吹太高了12F 01/29 11:53
→ leoqqqoel: 我覺得地瓜更強 球速更快 但新秀時普13F 01/29 12:02
推 ct13579: 跟小史同期的達比修跟老查呢14F 01/29 12:03
推 carlchang092: 地瓜巔峰直球滑球都是聯盟最頂級的而且控球也超好，投手能在Savant上面進階幾乎都PR90以上也沒幾個了15F 01/29 12:16
推 ke265379ke: Skenes 控球真的蠻屌的 可以投出壓在線上和角落的火球17F 01/29 12:25
推 gekkou: Skenes現在就已經強爆了，朗希要投出那成績沒那麼容易吧18F 01/29 12:43
→ b99202071: 多二逢而已 隔年還自己改爛了
Skenes的Splinker現在不會輸朗希指叉19F 01/29 13:00
推 carlchang092: 但Skenes去年Run Value最高的是Sinker RV/100有3.0而且使用率很高有28.4%21F 01/29 13:04
→ WasJohnWall: Skenes記得那顆一開始是記在變速類，後來才改回速球的23F 01/29 13:06
推 kenkenken31: 想起以前小史正威武，曲球和變速真的舒服25F 01/29 13:22
推 showdoggy: 就是看中他天花板 不過也要完成的了26F 01/29 14:06
推 b99202071: 一開始記錄在指叉 後來改放Sinker
多二縫但隔年改爛我是說大谷27F 01/29 14:41
推 n61208: 文章在講投手新秀、然後有人在談地瓜巔峰29F 01/29 17:29
推 YesHi: 先健康再討論啦30F 01/29 18:00
推 poet1112: 繼續吹 他者玻璃手臂能健康再說31F 01/29 18:09
推 s2022s: 對啊完全體就不用討論了32F 01/29 18:15
→ oldchang1205 …
→ oldchang1205: 朗希控球查得遠33F 01/29 18:48
推 ia220629: 開季見真章
朗希控球升級的話就鬼了34F 01/29 19:36
→ AHEAD099: 論第一年投出的成績 Skenes輾壓其他人36F 01/30 05:43

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